Is Mercedes stuck with its 2021 car problem? | The Race F1 Podcast

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    F1's rule changes for 2021 have clearly caused Mercedes and Aston Martin a headache given their low-rake car concepts. But what is rake, why is it so important, and how restricted will those teams be in adapting their cars to make up for what they are lacking? Edd Straw, Gary Anderson and Mark Hughes explore the subject in great detail in the latest episode of The Race F1 Podcast.
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    00:00 Intro
    03:58 Why rake matters so much
    11:45 Has Red Bull got lucky?
    20:08 Any sympathy for Mercedes and Aston Martin?
    24:13 What can Mercedes do?
    29:57 A classic season?
    35:56 The top midfield teams
    44:35 Trouble for Aston Martin
    51:01 Williams in the wilderness
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Joe Howard
Joe Howard

2:00 True it’s not as simple as Rake alone, rake combined with brake ducts and rear diffuser, create a mix of elements

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Seto Kaiba
Seto Kaiba

Mercedes no because they pump money into their car. Aston yes they screwed

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Nick Barnes
Nick Barnes

The alike sack speculatively bubble because puma pivotally use than a loose grass. mushy, wet result

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Luka Džidić
Luka Džidić

Short answer: no Long answer: no, because if they do have problems, the FIA will pull through as usual Saved you 56 minutes of misinformation, you're welcome

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Isaiah Earl Denley
Isaiah Earl Denley

What are you guys going on about Red Bull Red Bull Hamilton winning the Bahrain race shows you that even with a faulty car Red bull would have to get up very early in the Morning to catch Mercedes think about even with only 3 wheels back at the Silverstone Race you could not catch them and if the truth be none I think if Lewis got out of the car and pushed it round the track Red bull still could not catch them because

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eric fournier
eric fournier

l'ailleron de devant elle as un travaille quelle pourrais faire et que personne n'a penser

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Babar Asghar
Babar Asghar

Ferrari has literally destroyed Alonso and Vettel careers, or perhaps they both need to learn how Kimi has still managed to be this cool in this brutal game of politics. This sports is very competitive and new drivers are ever so faster n quicker. I have been watching Drive to Survive Netflix seasons and one can literally see how Seb looks, his bright and shiny eyes with a big smile on his face has totally been replaced with a face of an old man now and like one of u guys said he cracked under those mili seconds and made forced errors on the track. Vettel needs a mentor like Niki was for Hamilton, he is such a brilliant driver but team principles have fed him to the bad sports politics.

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Hugo Diaz Garcia
Hugo Diaz Garcia

I don´t have any sympathy for the devil (like the Rolling Stones) and I think Mercedes car problems will take at least 5-6 races to get more reliability and be able to be at the same level as Red Bull... Besides that, I am a Checo´fun.

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Yerrie
Yerrie

I have listened all the 56 minutes and not 1 time equal machinery and Max maybe having a edge is even a option or brought up as a question, you all already know it's the high rake, keep believing you are objective but the Race is not, that is wat this season is already showing and that's a big big disappointment. The funny thing is that only Rosberg and Button when the (rarely) join Sky for commenting they actually talk drivers instead of cars

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Yerrie
Yerrie

Lewis Lewis Lewis Lewis it's all the GOAT not the car it's Lewis Lewis Lewis, now Honda gave RB a bit more power, now Max has equal machinery and Bottas is still easily P3 but now it's not Max it's the Car it's the FIA and favoring high rake cars, 7 years no word about low rake advantage but now it's all the car. All English speaking journalists but hey lets pretend we are objective, the Race is in this new season no different then all the other UK dominated press, a joke

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Yerrie
Yerrie

FIA rules to change the hierarchy and they could predict that low cars would be more affected, Mark for sure knows better then that but the problem is not tunnel vision but this Lewis/Mercedes vision

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Yerrie
Yerrie

As long as RB is not with 2 cars in front every race with a average 2nd driver as Bottas it's NOT the car, at it's best equal machinery but with equal machinery Max is the deciding factor, that is not a option in the mind of the Race but I will remember you all about this in 22 races when Merc is still constructor champ and Max WDC. The UK is in for a hard awakening with their GOAT, already the first race given to Lewis by the FIA is celebrated as a masterpiece of positioning, unreal, the masterpiece was positioning your car off track turn 4 and call for FIA when Max passes Lewis on Lewis racing line for 29 laps, it's a joke

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Jon Thor
Jon Thor

lol the mighty Mercedes always playing the underdog and the victim🤣

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Jon Thor
Jon Thor

F1 is a punishment.... 3 months waiting.. and then 3 weeks

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Ryno’s Raceroom
Ryno’s Raceroom

I hope Seb hears this .🤘🏻🏁

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Ryno’s Raceroom
Ryno’s Raceroom

MASCAR has had 7 races w/ 7 different drivers in the Cup Series this year. Crazy start ! Be nice to see 7 winners in F1 for 2021 heading into a big year. Can’t wait for this weekend🤘🏻🏁

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Christos Pallis
Christos Pallis

One of the best technical podcasts on F1 ever, love it, more please 👌

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Barry Braynen
Barry Braynen

Rb needs to win this season if they don’t win max is gone.

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nickspacemonkey
nickspacemonkey

Every F1 media outlet has literally no imagination. Merc had to fight for a win and everyone is saying they are giving up on this years car already. Enough bs please.

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Whatever billy
Whatever billy

I be surprised if vettle doesn't retire this year if this continues

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26_Josemon Saji
26_Josemon Saji

Honestly tired of seeing Mercedes and Redbull dominating for 4 or 7 seasons straight. McLaren or Ferrari needs to stepup

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Oved Appr
Oved Appr

Mercedes issue is the intake is lifting the car more ! n Red Bull is less affected because they have high rake but drilling the hole like I mentioned ? Mercedes will have their issue fix !

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Oved Appr
Oved Appr

Nah ! Mercedes just messed up the slit location ! They put a small slit at the edge of the 4 on each side ! Mercedes just need to plug that and move the hold that was there where the s is (Ineos)and everything should be fine ! They need to put that hole perpendicular to the surface so it will end up in a weird angle viewed from the top it will be slightly going back and each side , viewed from the back it will be one side going about 10 o clock and the other 2 onclock ( the angle of the hole! in relation to the body ! why fully perpendicular ? because of the way the car is made ! If you put the hole low like Mercedes did right now that cause problem because there is no longer support for the body and it create issue for the driver ! But going straight in the intake tract (body) it lessen the pressure and tendency to life the body via the car ! And but putting them at the angle it should stabilize the air follow going on a curve so driver won’t feel like a soap box

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Adithya Naren
Adithya Naren

Wow you are so technically sound. But yeah I am sure if there is any team who can turn around things it is Mercedes. They have a solid team of genius engineers.

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To be like Christ
To be like Christ

Anyone else thinking that Mercedes haven't used their tokens and could have waited to see the impact of the rule changes to then use the tokens to adjust car if issues, which they may have now? What are the rules here? When can you or cant you use tokens?

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Mike G.
Mike G.

Is winning such a problem?

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Reso205
Reso205

Did Mercedes have to use a token to replace the DAS system???

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X Knows
X Knows

I think it's great part thanks to Honda's engine, otherwise McLaren would be clearly above the rest, and it's not the case. Alpha Tauri might be above too.

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simon Jones
simon Jones

Would like to hear your opinion on my contention that Vettal has always been overrated. I content that he's ok when he's out in front as during his Red Bull years but showed there ( see his movement on Webber and later on Leclerc ) that his special awareness is not good, so he's not good when actually racing other cars in close proximity.

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ra a
ra a

how is noone concerned that this isn't just this track being favorable to red bull? they won it last year, and even after rule changes supposedly favourable to high rake cars they still only manage to be marginally faster than mercedes in the race, to the point an undercut allowed them to win... we need to see more races before drawing conclusions for sure

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Dogued
Dogued

Because the track isn't. Red Bull hasn't won in Bahrain since 2013. Mercedes have now won 6/8, with Ferrari picking up wins in '17 and '18.

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Roy
Roy

What problem? Mercedes won didnt they? jeeez dont start feeling sorry for merc now..

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Mr Bungle
Mr Bungle

I think they are equal on race pace if not merc had the advantage in Bahrain,but it suits that car more,but Qualifying this season will be a bit mixed up Red bull didnt rly perform in the hybrid era that good at Bahrain,so if we look at that,maybe theres hope for tracks that suit them more

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Lance Alex
Lance Alex

Mercedes picked this setup for a reason, the believe it's all round better than High rake and history has supported that. Okay they had the best engine and maybe Honda has bridged that gap now but I'd logically think that a more level car would be better at adapting to reduced rear end downforce than a high rake one. Time will tell

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floflorian
floflorian

Mercedes will use this year to focus on the 2022 and onwards platform, and use the experience of having a relatively slower car to train their staff on how to deal with actual pressure. I think they admitted that the 2021 car was finished in mid 2020, and their focus lies on the future. I don't think it will be a big deal for them if they lose the championship this year.

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COSMOS TREK
COSMOS TREK

no

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Gold Digger Dave
Gold Digger Dave

Taking like Red Bull won the race and Mercedes ended up at the back of the grid.

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gizzy guzzi
gizzy guzzi

F1 used to be about the best car. Now it's about punishing the successful cars to make closer racing. And the 'fans' cheer? If you want spec racing go watch F2 , Indy or Super Formula!

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Lost Alone
Lost Alone

"Every circuit starts at the start/finish line and go around in a circle and come back there." - This is the kind of quality analysis I expect from The Race

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Esther Akeode
Esther Akeode

Who told Aston martin or racing point to move from high rake in 2019 to low rake in 2020

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Adithya Naren
Adithya Naren

@mircea miclos Lol. You know more than the racing point team engineers and mechanics? It's obvious they knew it was going to be a low rake car but they did not foresee the new Regulations coming

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mircea miclos
mircea miclos

That's what happens when you copy something without knowing what is behind the concept.

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robertdevald
robertdevald

They just copied the Mercedes 2019 car which is a low rake car, that's how they had the third best car in 2020. The move to low rake was just a consequence of copying the Mercedes W10.

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djrashty
djrashty

This was so insightful and intersting!!! 👍👍

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Wallace McDonut
Wallace McDonut

I love that Aston Martin had a terrible weekend. Lawerence Stroll dropping Perez in favour of washed up baldy Vettel has backfired on him and deservedly so. Now AM have 2 awful drivers it is showing how much difference having a top driver like Perez made. I have zero time for the Strolls or anyone who is willing to buy their son a racing team so they can succeed at something. It's a terrible message for F1 and any sport where money comes before achievement based on merit and talent. People wanna see skilled drivers going head to head. Not a billionaire's son manufacture excuses about ...how "the balance isn't quite there yet." Welcome to the back end of the midfield again AM.

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Andrew Frink
Andrew Frink

Great content! One note: The black and white text at the bottom of the screen makes reading the subtitles difficult. Please consider removing high contrast elements from the bottom of your lock-up.

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Tony Dee
Tony Dee

Maybe just turn the volume up and don't worry about the subtitles 😂

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NB WattKnot
NB WattKnot

Don't know about on mobile but if you are on a desktop/laptop you can click on the settings gearwheel, then subtitles, then options. In there you can change the colour of the subtitles and the opacity of the background, yellow on black works quite nicely. But your point is still valid and content creators should avoid using that space where possible. :-)

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Joe Desimone
Joe Desimone

This was the most informative overviews of aero in f1 I have heard.

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Chuck Dickens
Chuck Dickens

Yea man, this was insane. Nobody has offered us content like this before. I would pay for this.

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day 2 day
day 2 day

Yeah, Seb has done that 200 times now over the years.

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TJ32
TJ32

Mercedes has had basically a full second on the entire field for most of the hybrid era. 2017 Ferrari was maybe only down a couple tenth on average and 2018 you could argue on average Ferrari was probably up a couple tenths especially in the first half. In 2021, Red Bull might have a better car but we're talking about a fraction relatively. Mercedes might not be the outright fastest but they're still right at the front, nothing like the deficit their rivals have had.

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Quinton McDermott
Quinton McDermott

Fantastic explanation. In a year where the rules COINCIDENTALLY favored high rake cars for the purpose of MANUFACTURED competition.

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tim yo
tim yo

Any sympathy for Mercedes and Aston Martin? Haha. Cute.

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cyclops centurion
cyclops centurion

It's not good for anyone if Mercedes wins every race,. including Mercedes. Toto knows this as well. Don't think any of the races they didn't win the past two years wasn't orchestrated. Sadly, Benz got this far ahead which was a failure of all the other teams. Hopefully 2022 will level set and the other teams can start pulling their weight. This had ZERO to do with 44 being great, because he's not. He was in the right place at the right time. Bottas is purely pathetic.

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cyclops centurion
cyclops centurion

@Buck Rogers Hardly. Schumi developed his team and advanced all of F1. If you cannot see the difference, you really should read about Michael in the early days.

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Buck Rogers
Buck Rogers

​@cyclops centurion So I guess all past champions Scumacher , Senna Prost Mansell etc. all are in the same boat.

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cyclops centurion
cyclops centurion

@Brandon Stevens I didn't say that I supported changing the rules to stop Mercedes, but it is obvious that it's hurting the sport/viewership if MB wins every weekend. It hurts the sport even more when 44 acts like it's his greatness that is winning when the car is second faster than everyone else, then he starts pontificating about his wokeness. Sick puppy.

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Brandon Stevens
Brandon Stevens

So if I'm better than everyone else around me, I should have rules put in place to stop me from succeeding because others can't catch up? That logic may make things more entertaining, but there can be no amount of talk that formula 1 is the pinnacle of racing since development is stifled in the name of tighter competition. At that point it's just another racing format. As for Hamilton, he still has to drive the car. Bottas isn't as good, we know that, but Hamilton has also helped build that car for years. If anything I'd say the last couple years and Mercedes raw dominance was influenced more by him than in previous seasons, so if anything, it's his input that helped build the beast that was Mercedes over the past couple years. In the end you don't win 7 WDCs without being good, I don't care how good the car is.

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WhiteNinjainblack
WhiteNinjainblack

Why do they so Mercedes biased? I do not understand that really.

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Leofric of Winchester
Leofric of Winchester

Its one thing to want a more competitive field out there. However, how can another team boast proudly after a championship season, if the most recently enforced rules are simply an attempt to sabotage Mercedes? A rigged field is just as bad as watching a one sided race. Its just not true to the essence of the sport. It cant be called the peak of motorsports.

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Zack Seven
Zack Seven

I am sure Mercedes will come up with some kind of work around solution, but I also just read online that one, the RB diff issue in Bahrain was costing them .3 a lap and two, read an article where a Honda engineer was quoted saying RB could have pushed the engine some more, meaning we may not have seen all of the RB's full potential yet, next track should reveal it all. Will be interesting to see Mercedes playing the catchup game with a budget cap in play.

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Zack Seven
Zack Seven

@Areeb Siddiqui I tried to post the link from f1 , com but YouTube keeps removing it. Where RB team are quoted saying they were losing .3 per lap. I have raced quarter mile and have lost over .5 second in 1320 feet with a diff issue so don't even try to tell me a diff issue can't cause this lost time. I also subscribed to F1 TV pro this year where I can see the sector time and Max was losing time in sector two, sector with most curves.

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ғɪʟʟ 1ɴ ᴛ҉ ʜ3 ʙʟᴀɴᴋs
ғɪʟʟ 1ɴ ᴛ҉ ʜ3 ʙʟᴀɴᴋs

@Areeb Siddiqui Honda did say there was more to use but really that's for them to work out with RBR. RBR runs what they think is feasible at the end of the day.

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ғɪʟʟ 1ɴ ᴛ҉ ʜ3 ʙʟᴀɴᴋs
ғɪʟʟ 1ɴ ᴛ҉ ʜ3 ʙʟᴀɴᴋs

RBR said the floor and diff issues cost them around a .10..

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Areeb Siddiqui
Areeb Siddiqui

3 tenths a lap? Nah, that's a straight up lie. Diff issues can't have you losing that much time. No way would Verstappen still be so much faster than Lewis if he were losing 3 tenths a lap. The Honda engine not being pushed is a farce. No team pushes the engine to the max at any point in the weekend other than Quali. And obviously, engine modes are banned now so I wouldn't trust that. This is straight up propoganda, all's fair in F1 though so yeah.

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tim yo
tim yo

A race winning car and a clear number 1 driver - oh what a problem.

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Lost Alone
Lost Alone

Based on their previous performance, winning by a whisker IS a massive decline.

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Bill Martin
Bill Martin

If you look at the lap times during the pit overlap, you'll see that Mercedes is still far-and-away the fastest car. Look at the lap times! The only problem Mercedes has is trying to mask their continuing speed advantage!

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jeffery wade
jeffery wade

Red Bull is not as consistent as Sir Hamilton and his peasants ! 8 Championships 2021

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Random Task
Random Task

I suspect if Seb doesn't get his act together pronto, he'll be fired. Lawrence Stroll will not put up with such poor performances from a highly paid A-list driver who has lost his mojo. And Seb lost his mojo as soon as Charles showed up for work at Ferrari. Alonso is like a pit bull on steroids compared to Vettel, who seems to have a distant faded look in his eyes, and Gary Anderson is right when he says that he should not be making wild accusations such as that directed at Ocon.

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Areeb Siddiqui
Areeb Siddiqui

I think it was more just something he said in the heat of the moment. Ocon even said Vettel apologized to him later. But of course, since it's Seb they'll blow it out of proportion.

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Eliot Salandy Brown
Eliot Salandy Brown

Awesome!

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whale oil beef hooked
whale oil beef hooked

Screw merc

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Andre F. S.
Andre F. S.

"Aquaman and rally" xD xD (aqua minerale)

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Phil Conradie
Phil Conradie

Mercedes explained that they try offset the 'loss of volume' from the rake of the car by making their car longer therefore recouping that 'lost volume'. This makes me believe it is less to do with rake and more to do with the loss of rear-end downforce from the cumulative effect of all the rule changes. As a short-term fix, they did not have any choice but to dial out front-end grip to reestablish the balance of the car. This explains why their low to medium speed cornering and direction change has suffered - areas where they were actually stronger than RB in the last two years due to their novel front suspension geometry and greater overall downforce. This, coupled with the Mercedes ERS deployment issues can easily explain the 0.2 - 0.4 s difference. I don't think these problems are insurmountable, they are merely more complicated to resolve for the low-rake cars. I have no doubt that they will find a solution to these challenges - or at least close the gap - within the next 3 - 4 races.

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Phil Conradie
Phil Conradie

@David Pearce valid point. Based on their current performance though, they are still 'ahead' of the rest of the field which makes me think there is not a fundamental problem with the design but is more into extracting the final 1 % of the design. That said, this is also the realm of diminishing returns so perhaps their CFD and wind tunnel deficit may end up hurting them as you say. I think we will have a better picture after another 2 or 3 races. It is entirely possible that just resolving the ERS issue may establish parity with RBR. This aaaall said and done, I am stoked for a good fight up front and would be ecstatic to see McLaren fight for podiums on pure pace.

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David Pearce
David Pearce

Correct ....... but also remember this is supposedly a 'Transition' year with low spend to save money and help teams to stay within the enforced budget. If Mercedes are to pull back this imposed fundamental design deficit, they have been additionally hamstrung by the reduced wind tunnel time allowed ...... because they were too successful last year.

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Feanor
Feanor

1-3 instead of 1-2. F1 Media: THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING

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Armel Nti
Armel Nti

High Rake cars has gain on the floor changes ? well ok but who won the first race? Merc has enough ressources to get around the floor change, and the 3 wks break will give then all time they need to get on the top of the amount of data collected from the last race + testing + filming days

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Adithya Naren
Adithya Naren

True but Redbull equally has enough resources to improve their already over performing car considering regulations are in favor of high rake cars.

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mohlodi tshimollo
mohlodi tshimollo

Those heavy bags of sand are soon going to be coming off the Mercedes car race by race.

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David Pearce
David Pearce

IF Changes were driven to reduce Aero Pressure on the Tyres. Why have the Governing Body Changed BOTH the Aero & made the Tyre Construction more robust as well? either one or the other ...... why both?

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David Pearce
David Pearce

Mercedes (Low Rack) v Red Bull (High Rake) - No mention of the FLOOR and the Major change which effects the cars. The Mercedes Low rake concept effected the most …… because Mercedes need to utilise the Floor Area as efficiently as possible i.e. they even lengthened their wheelbase to increase this floor area …… also important to work this concept, the floor needs to be sealed. Cut outs in floor (Loss) obviously cannot be sealed (+ Tyre Squirt etc), and slots banned, again effects sealing of floor (Vortices)  …… As a layman, obviously rules manipulated for the show. Compared to last season (2020) Mercedes have lost approximately 2 sec/lap & Red Bull about 1 sec/lap; so, the relative loss is about 1 sec. Red Bull were never 1 sec/lap slower than Mercedes last year. So advantage Red Bull because of the Rule Changes.

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Suburban Fox
Suburban Fox

Yes, poor Mercedes are stuck with yet another winning car that's going to win every race again. How will they cope? :P

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Manuel Tusche
Manuel Tusche

Funny... We are still talking about the winning car. If that is trouble... I guess Mercedes wants some more trouble then...

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The Dog Botherer
The Dog Botherer

Is it just me, or does it seem like a monumental oversight from Mercedes on the rake and splitter issue.. for such a competent team it seems uncharacteristically underthought and underdeveloped.

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Amal kumar Maitra
Amal kumar Maitra

@The Dog Botherer it does unfortunately cause innovation comes at a cost which Mercedes doesn't have the luxury of anymore. That being said, this is just one race and more importantly we still don't know where Mercedes have spent their two development tokens.

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The Dog Botherer
The Dog Botherer

@Amal kumar Maitra agreed, but that doesn't stop innovation.

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Amal kumar Maitra
Amal kumar Maitra

I think you're forgetting the fact that Mercedes is now operating at less than half of the budget they were used to. Secondly there is a sliding scale of aero development from this year which means the most successful team of last year (aka Mercedes) gets the least amount of wind tunnel and CFD time while the least successful team (aka Williams) gets the most R&D time. Third, the DAS system from last year was banned which helped them keep the tyre temps on check. And Finally the prize money has been more closely distributed meaning the amount Mercedes got for winning last years constructor's championship is not that big compared to the team in 2nd place. So, to conclude there are lot of factors behind Mercedes's downfall this year for now at least.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Durmus Kurtulus
Durmus Kurtulus

What happened to 1080p?

13 өдрийн өмнө
Broken Refrigerator
Broken Refrigerator

It's a podcast. It's meant to be audio only

12 өдрийн өмнө
The666opal111
The666opal111

Your mom stole it.

12 өдрийн өмнө
y1521t21b5
y1521t21b5

Excellent, informative offering, as ever, gents! Keep up the sterling work! 25:24 Actually, HAM committed an error worth an estimated three-tenths in the Turn 9–10 combo on his fastest lap. The _RB16B's_ absolute edge over the _W12_ is actually smaller than the final qualy gap. _Merc_ certainly made a forward step since testing. The biggest questions remain: *how developmentally constrained are **_Merc_** and is their powertrain, as **_Toto_** recently suggested, incapable of deploying peak power for as long as the **_Honda_** unit?* I hope things remain tight between _Red Bull_ and _Merc_ to spare us a 2014–2020-style procession.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Michael Delgado
Michael Delgado

McLaren fans: *waiting for ONE Video about a strong start* Everyone: "IS MERCEDES IN TROUBLE!?!?!??!"

13 өдрийн өмнө
mircea miclos
mircea miclos

Totally agree.

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TheBigDMan69
TheBigDMan69

😂 Lmfao

11 өдрийн өмнө
ItzFack
ItzFack

strong start from Mclaren? they were 3rd last year and still 3rd this year, no need for a video.

11 өдрийн өмнө
Riemann J S
Riemann J S

Ikr 😂😂

11 өдрийн өмнө
XTbum333
XTbum333

Expect Mercedes to make adjustments and improvements. After all they are Mercedes.

13 өдрийн өмнө
ALISTAIR THOMPSON
ALISTAIR THOMPSON

No sympathy for Aston Martin when you design your car using tracing paper

13 өдрийн өмнө
James Hoover
James Hoover

They engineered their own chassis this year. Sure, the low rake is too accommodate the merc rear suspension, but areo is their own.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Satyaki
Satyaki

face cams please

13 өдрийн өмнө
al doe
al doe

Gary is so bad at explaining complex ideas in a simple manner. It almost sounds like he is freewheeling. Terrible!

13 өдрийн өмнө
Silverfox Silverfox
Silverfox Silverfox

What about next year's regulations, will it be better for a high rake or low rake, or something else entirely?

13 өдрийн өмнө
Spiros Stratigos
Spiros Stratigos

Well, not an aerodynamic expert here, but with the next regulations, more of the car's downforce will come from ground effects, high rake has the effect of also "enlarging" the diffuser, so I would guess high rake still makes sense

12 өдрийн өмнө
Silverfox Silverfox
Silverfox Silverfox

@backseatgamer Surely, sealing the floor on a high rake with next years regulation might be difficult as all the barge boards aero is gone, it might be that low rake is better or something in between.

12 өдрийн өмнө
backseatgamer
backseatgamer

well they couldn't figure out if a small reg change affected high rake or low rake more before the fact, so my guess is they will have no idea for next year

12 өдрийн өмнө
洛基loki
洛基loki

賊 尺寸名稱捏環境買房子

13 өдрийн өмнө
Farid Abbaszadeh
Farid Abbaszadeh

I think Red Bull have the fastest car this year thank god

13 өдрийн өмнө
Farid Abbaszadeh
Farid Abbaszadeh

Edd Straws was The one Who was saying on 2020 pre season testing that Ferrari were the fastest

13 өдрийн өмнө
swed sweg
swed sweg

lol what? show me. Do you mean 2019?

13 өдрийн өмнө
J T
J T

They still are, have faith!

13 өдрийн өмнө
Kakha Khmelidze
Kakha Khmelidze

Guys, your "analysis" is only talking around that ridiculous "high rike" as it was about "diffuser of Brawn GP" back in 2009 and so on? And you call that analysis? This is awful.

13 өдрийн өмнө
anikun2013
anikun2013

Wish there was a way to add this podcast to my Plex Server

13 өдрийн өмнө
Simon Robinson
Simon Robinson

Yes this is they're down fall from now on people thought they were sandbaging I knew from practice 1 that was not the case red bull to be w.c with max. Mercedes would be lucky if they can win more than 4 that now big trouble mercedes are in with the new rules.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Hakim Farooqi
Hakim Farooqi

Stop this nonsense. They are still number 1.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Hakim Farooqi
Hakim Farooqi

@Amal kumar Maitra But they didn't win. Lets see

12 өдрийн өмнө
Amal kumar Maitra
Amal kumar Maitra

No, they aren't. Redbull have the better package this year.

13 өдрийн өмнө
YEAH RIGHT
YEAH RIGHT

I just don't buy the hype. What evidence they are talking about?

13 өдрийн өмнө
Geezer
Geezer

The audio on this is terrible.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Hell 98
Hell 98

Mercedes have always been a bit weak in Bahrain in '17' '18' Ferrari won and in '19' Ferrari threw it away

13 өдрийн өмнө
Benzer 1995
Benzer 1995

HHP and Brackley will solve the problems. Those riceeater cars from Red Bull we get defeared once again!!!

13 өдрийн өмнө
brian mclendon
brian mclendon

more of those guys

13 өдрийн өмнө
mircea miclos
mircea miclos

Mercedes 1&3 and the "evidence so far"..... Can you just stop telling everyone Mercedes is slow ? We are not blind !

13 өдрийн өмнө
El BU
El BU

Stall?? You need to explain how this relates to airodynamics.

13 өдрийн өмнө
El BU
El BU

@Nick Tower I know what stall is, just a seperation of the airflow. I cannot see why this happens linked to a low rake, just before the diffusor. The story for me is a bit to simple.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Nick Tower
Nick Tower

An aerodynamic stall is when the airflow over a wing separates from the wing causing a loss of lift. Simply put, a plane's wing redirects air downward to push the plane up. When the flowing air separates from the wing, it can no longer effectively be pushed downward, so there's a loss in lift. This is caused by a wing that is at too high of an angle in the airflow. Since these are race cars instead of planes, I would imagine it's exactly the opposite. The air under the wing can no longer be pushed up in order to force the car down, so a loss of downforce. To be honest I haven't listened to this podcast yet so I don't know what context they use it in. It's possible they mean that the airflow isn't being directed correctly around the car because of an improper angle of an aerodynamic component. TL;DR an aerodynamic stall is when the air around an aerodynamic surface isn't able to be properly redirected because of an incorrect angle. Has nothing to do with the engine or even the speed of the car.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Joshua Kanode
Joshua Kanode

The Race: Is Merc stuck with it’s problem of continuously winning? Red Bull: Da fuq? Toto: (wipes crocodile tear from eye) We’re so off the pace that Hamilton had to use the accelerator. Sad.

13 өдрийн өмнө
1pr007
1pr007

Joshua Kanode, I'm a massive Ham fan but that was funny👍

13 өдрийн өмнө
Ms Zee Zed
Ms Zee Zed

Not sure Williams even have a bad philosophy right now. Latifi blew the script in a race 1 interview, confessing the “peakiness” of the Williams’ aero was an unwelcome surprise at testing. They’re still underfunded and in trying to make an immediately quicker car, they’ve just made a bad one, again.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Ms Zee Zed
Ms Zee Zed

@Areeb Siddiqui 9th fastest because Haas have done nothing will mean nothing if Williams don’t score some points. The ridiculous, “we’ve deliberately designed a peaky car” is a cover for what Williams sold them.

12 өдрийн өмнө
Areeb Siddiqui
Areeb Siddiqui

Dorilton has put money into the team. Or course that won't affect this year cause the car has been in development long before they took over. Williams have made a step up. They're 9th fastest now and with decent quali pace. Alfa have made a bigger step forward with the new Ferrari engine. 2022 will be the real indicator as to where Williams are headed.

12 өдрийн өмнө
Lucas deABREU
Lucas deABREU

Gary Anderson alone gives this channel an unfair advantege

13 өдрийн өмнө
Lost Alone
Lost Alone

The FIA have received protests from WTF1 and Autosport and are considering whether Gary should be banned as a movable aero device.

12 өдрийн өмнө
giorx5
giorx5

Red Bull isn't 0,4" faster in qual. Verstappen is at least 0,2-0,3" faster than Hamilton, so Red Bull is a bit faster. We have a great season fight in front of us with close battles for places 1-10.

13 өдрийн өмнө
1pr007
1pr007

@giorx5 Not at all, what I'm saying is that Hamilton's cars have never been built around him, they've been built around Both drivers unlike Verstappen's car, unlike Schumacher's car (which included driver clauses) Merc's priority has always been the Constructors title so they can't afford to gear the car around one driver RB has the best car this year but at least both Merc drivers can make a go of it for the team

13 өдрийн өмнө
giorx5
giorx5

@1pr007 So, by your logic, all the previous years that Merc was too dominant to lose the constractors championship, Ham had a car as he wanted and thus, this year will maybe lose just because there is true competition. You make Ham seem less great than he is when trying to defend him.

13 өдрийн өмнө
1pr007
1pr007

@giorx5 But Hamilton has also out qualified all his team mates and he's been around longer than Verstappen, remember that the RB is completely geared around Verstappen whereas the Merc isn't completely set around Hamilton Merc said in a podcast that they can't gear the car completely around one driver because it could cost them in a tight Constructors race ie this year, if Bottas has no handle on the car it could cost the team over a season RB don't have that philosophy probably because they're desperate to keep hold of Verstappen

13 өдрийн өмнө
J T
J T

@1pr007 I think that's about right.

13 өдрийн өмнө
giorx5
giorx5

@1pr007 Hamilton has lost many times to teammates on qual (Alonso, Button, Rosberg, Bottas), Verstappen very few in analogy. Hamilton for sure has become much better than before on the tire management but Merc's car dominance has much to do with that as it allowed him to make less agressive setups. The hunters were forced to setup their cars much more agressive to have any chance to close to Mercs. Let's see this season what's what with closer performance between Merc and RB.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Meme Raven
Meme Raven

Until RBR wins 9 races in a Row.. I am not convinced.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Chef Sev
Chef Sev

Quality channel+Quality guests=Quality discussions and content. Keep it up!

13 өдрийн өмнө
Paul Namalomba
Paul Namalomba

The Honda teams this year in F1 are like how the Ducati teams are in MotoGP this year - superior top line speed but maybe not the best in corners. Particularly comparing AlphaTauri and their top speeds with Ferrari for instance. Even still, Red Bull are the favorites...hopefully they deliver on their promising 2021 challenger

13 өдрийн өмнө
Neil Williams
Neil Williams

Verstappen was gaining 0.4 in the middle sector of the lap; that means the Red Bull is very good around corners - also they are Honda-powered Red Bulls and Alpha Tauris, not Honda teams.

12 өдрийн өмнө
Prahar Darji
Prahar Darji

No red bull is better in corner due to high downforce and better stability, but that downforce creates drag so not that great in straight line ( marginally slow at long straight than mercs )

13 өдрийн өмнө
Sara Sarah
Sara Sarah

Ok one more time. Are we going to be streaming live races anymore? Or is The Race just F1 tech talk channel now? Please someone let me know. Ty 😊

13 өдрийн өмнө
Megatron
Megatron

How many more "Mercedes is in trouble" vids are there going to be?

13 өдрийн өмнө
Jeremy Pereira
Jeremy Pereira

@mircea miclos yes because Lewis needs all the excuses for his performance in the first race. Oh wait. He won.

11 өдрийн өмнө
Neil Williams
Neil Williams

Why click on the video if the topic doesn't interest you?

12 өдрийн өмнө
mircea miclos
mircea miclos

It's The Race fan boizzz of Lewis looking for excuses like in 2017 when they said Ferrari is miles ahead.

13 өдрийн өмнө
HavokR505
HavokR505

lol what problems, they won the first race. Mercedes always has "problems"

13 өдрийн өмнө
HavokR505
HavokR505

@Amal kumar Maitra strategy is part of the package my man.

11 өдрийн өмнө
Amal kumar Maitra
Amal kumar Maitra

They won the race because of their strategy and not because they have a better car than Redbull which is usually the case and hence the problems which Mercedes indeed have.

13 өдрийн өмнө
mircea miclos
mircea miclos

Well said .

13 өдрийн өмнө
matembwere chekai
matembwere chekai

For,redbull is far ahead of Mercedes, the question is the consistency of red bull car, and that will decide the final result

13 өдрийн өмнө
Ms Zee Zed
Ms Zee Zed

In think Mercedes & Aston Martin have been too complacent this winter and Red Bull & McLaren have really made up ground on both. In January Mercedes (and by collaboration Aston Martin) believed that the Red Bull was more dependant on underfloor aero & so would suffer more from the rule changes, so AMG only focused on making their engine lighter with their bulky new chilled fuel intake delivering an extra boost at critical race lap points. Red Bull, however, solved the floor sealing issue, that the regs deliberately created, over the winter and Honda focused on making their engine smaller (lighter), more powerful for a whole lap and delivered tighter aero packaging so working with Newey’s philosophies. Those two combined have made up the difference to the Merc. Ironically McLaren’s restriction on development, forced by taking the same customer engine as Aston Martin, made them work harder on aero at the end of last year and it now looks difficult for anyone else to challenge the current top 3 for at least the first half of the season.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Ms Zee Zed
Ms Zee Zed

@Amal kumar Maitra My point about the cost cap, is its had no impact on the cars running in testing & race 1, it certainly will affect Merc’s ability to do free aero development through this year as they reach their wind-tunnel time limit, Red Bull too who have similar restrictions. Also those regulation changes were unanimously agreed by all teams from a set of nine different options for rule changes to slow the current formula. Pirelli decided to improve the tyres again based on data received from the teams in the winter, they’re really keen to avoid another Silverstone situation. Its now perfectly possible to design a car that travels at over 300mph and decelerates to 0 mph in 1.5 seconds, the forces involved in doing that carry a real risk of breaking the drivers necks though, hence the formula has been continually speed / bhp limited by the regulations in some form or other since 1981.

12 өдрийн өмнө
Amal kumar Maitra
Amal kumar Maitra

@Ms Zee Zed Thank You for the compliment but unfortunately I'm not qualified enough to be a Mercedes engineer or any F1 engineer as a matter of fact. As for the effects of the cost cap, they've have already hit the teams as now they'll have to juggle between the time and resources they might want to put on this year's car as well as next year's car which I don't think is an easy decision especially for the front-runners. One race is not enough evidence to brand someone's performance deficit as being "complacent", just like having a good P.U. doesn't mean you'll have the best car with Williams being the prime example. Also, in case you remember this year's regulations didn't come all at once. First the FIA trimmed part of the floor for safety reasons regarding the Pirelli tyres. A few weeks later Pirelli decided to introduce a new rubber compound for 2021. Then a few weeks later the FIA made some further changes on the back of the floor and the car like reducing the size of the fins on the rear brake ducts, reducing the height of the diffuser streaks. James Allison himself talked about this in the race debrief which basically meant stopping development early on last year's car didn't actually help as the regulations kept changing weekend after weekend. I'm pretty sure though that after five or six races we'll get a more clearer picture of the performance of this year's grid.

12 өдрийн өмнө
Ms Zee Zed
Ms Zee Zed

@Amal kumar Maitra Whoa, apologies Mercedes employee 😹 but the effects if the cost cap have yet to actually hit, likewise the aero development limits. I’m sure all the cars will be faster in Imola. What I meant was that Merc had such a big lead last year that they may not have felt they needed to push engine performance as hard as winter 19/20 and put some r&d into their 2022 plans. Honda undoubtably have taken more risks as its their last season & have been very open (& excited) about their complete engine rebuild (as a company Honda want publicity for this) and their power step-up is confirmed by the speed trap results in Bahrain. As for Merc’s fuel chiller allowing short power boosts, well if it does what we think it does it can only be used in bursts during a lap & stay within the regulations. It could still be race winning tech & may have been the difference in race 1, as the Red Bulls were running with a small power train issue in that race. As for the DAS that was most useful in optimising qualifying & for safety car periods anyway, so it was more the cherry on the cake not generating the actual performance.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Amal kumar Maitra
Amal kumar Maitra

First race of the season, neither team or engine manufacturer running their PU's to their full potential and yet here you are regurgitating the same PR stuff reported by the media. You have no idea what Honda has done to their PU or what the inlet plenum on the Merc PU is actually doing. I don't know about Aston Martin but Mercedes have never been complacent. The downgrade of Mercedes this year is down to a lot of factors including a cost cap which has resulted in Mercedes operating at a budget even less than half of what they were used to. Then there's the sliding scale of aero regulations which restricts the most successful team with the least amount of wind tunnel and CFD time. Prize money has been more equally distributed which means the gap between the winner and second place is not so much anymore. Finally last year's DAS system has been banned which helped Mercedes to efficiently maintain their tyre temps. Aston Martin on the other hand are the victims of their own wrong doing by copying a concept that they didn't fully understand.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Stephen
Stephen

No.

13 өдрийн өмнө
rotrohan
rotrohan

Hate the poison drinks company, completely unappealing. But as a race fan, I’m very impressed. Merc has some serious catching upto do. Aston Martin needs to stop riding the British/JamesBond laurels and do something better. Fire Vettel for instance.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Trance 9
Trance 9

You're very delusional.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Lavin Sambhi
Lavin Sambhi

2017 and 2018 Ferrari had the fastest car, but Mercedes won anyways. Don’t underestimate Mercedes they can still win the title.

13 өдрийн өмнө
Areeb Siddiqui
Areeb Siddiqui

@Tim Liao Absolutely wrong mate. Ferrari had the so called fastest car at like 5 circuits out of 20. Vettel won at all of them. Drove the wheels off the car to match Lewis and then people inevitably blamed him for losing a championship battle he should never have been in the first place. It's like people blaming Alonso for losing in 2012. Even RB were beating them by the end of the year. Don't listen to these idiots, they only started watching F1 last year.

12 өдрийн өмнө
TJ32
TJ32

If you say Ferrari had a faster car in 2017 then you're new to F1

12 өдрийн өмнө
Tim Liao
Tim Liao

@Areeb Siddiqui I think Ferrari had a faster (or equally as fast) car at the start of 17. But they got out-developed by Mercedes and was lack luster the latter half of the season.

12 өдрийн өмнө
Areeb Siddiqui
Areeb Siddiqui

What season were you watching? Ferrari had a MUCH slower car in 17. It was literally Vettel driving like a madman to match Lewis. Kimi was being beaten by the RBs when their engines weren't blowing up. Although, granted it was just as much his fault for losing in 18 with the spins and the crash at Germany. Ferrari strategists being clowns is a point worth mentioning though.

12 өдрийн өмнө
Areeb Siddiqui
Areeb Siddiqui

@John Barber What exactly did Vettel do wrong in 17? Don't say Singapore cause it was a racing incident. 18 was his fault but you'll conveniently forget to mention all the strategy fuck ups Ferrari made for both cars.

12 өдрийн өмнө

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